From Athlete to What's Next: Eric Dahl on Eggs! The Podcast

What happens when the game ends, but most of your life is still ahead of you?

That question sits at the heart of Athlete5, and it was also at the center of a recent conversation on Eggs! The Podcast.

I joined host Ryan Roghaar to talk about athlete identity, career transition, relationships, purpose, and the challenge of figuring out what comes next when a playing career ends.

We also discussed my own unconventional career path, the creation of Athlete5, and why I believe the qualities that make someone successful in sports can become some of their greatest advantages long after the uniform comes off.

The Identity Question After Sports

One of the central themes of our conversation was identity.

For athletes, sport often becomes far more than something they do. It shapes their schedules, friendships, goals, confidence, and the way other people see them.

So when the game ends, the question is rarely just, "What job should I get?"

The harder question can be:

"Who am I now?"

During the episode, we discuss why that transition can be so difficult, but also why athletes are often far better equipped for their next chapter than they realize.

Discipline transfers.

Resilience transfers.

Coachability transfers.

Leadership transfers.

The ability to perform under pressure transfers.

The challenge is learning where those qualities belong next.

Relationships, Opportunity and Playing the Long Game

We also spent considerable time talking about something I believe matters tremendously in life after sports: relationships.

A former NHL player once told me that his successful business career began because one person was willing to take a chance on him after hockey. That relationship opened one door, which eventually opened many others.

That's why I believe athletes should begin building meaningful relationships before they need them.

And the best way to build a network isn't by constantly asking, "What can this person do for me?"

It's by asking, "How can I help?"

Approaching relationships from a place of genuine service has shaped my own career, and it's something I believe can dramatically change the trajectory of an athlete's next chapter.

The Athlete5 Blueprint

Ryan and I also dig into the Athlete5 Blueprint and why I created it.

The Blueprint is designed to help transitioning athletes better understand their identity, strengths, motivations, priorities, and opportunities. It begins with an in depth assessment and uses those insights to help create greater clarity around what might come next.

One idea from the conversation sums it up particularly well:

One of the most powerful feelings in the world is feeling understood.

That's where the Blueprint begins.

Before deciding what an athlete should do next, we need a much clearer understanding of who they are.

Winning the Postgame

We also discuss my book, Winning the Postgame: The Game Ends. You Do Not.

The book introduces the five pillars at the heart of Athlete5:

Purpose. Physical Health. Mental Health. Spiritual Well Being. Relationships.

Together, these provide a framework for looking beyond career alone and asking a bigger question:

What does a successful life after sports actually look like?

Because finding another job isn't enough.

The real opportunity is to build a life with purpose, health, strong relationships, continued growth, and something meaningful to compete for.

Full Episode Transcript

The following transcript has been lightly edited for readability while preserving the substance of the original conversation.

Introduction and Guest Background

0:00

Ryan Roghaar: Hey everybody, welcome back to Eggs!

Today's special guest is Eric Dahl. He is the author of Winning the Postgame and founder of Athlete5. Welcome to the show. How are you, Eric?

Eric Dahl: I'm doing great, Ryan. Thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to this.

Ryan: Absolutely. Thrilled to death to have you, and fun to catch up. We talked a little bit the other day, and it was kind of a fun thing.

You and I are both here in Salt Lake City. We've crossed paths a few times at different networking events and things like that. Recently you published this new book, caught wind of our show, and we've been able to pull this thing back together and reconnect. So I'm grateful to have the time to visit with you.

Eric: Thank you. You're somebody who I've always kept on my radar since the first time we met at, I think it was a business networking event. Obviously we have some shared interests, but I'm always impressed by the good work you do. So it's an honor for me to be on the show today.

Ryan: I love it. Well, thank you so much for that.

Let's start at the beginning, Eric. Let's talk a little bit about your background, who you are, what you do, and where you're from. Athlete5 is relatively new, but you've got a long tenure in all kinds of marketing, management, and leadership positions. So it might be good to get the full breadth of your career.

Eric Dahl's Career Journey From Real Estate to Marketing

1:07

Eric: I'll give you the Reader's Digest summary.

I'm originally from Salt Lake City, born and raised. My career, I would say, has had two chapters, and now arguably I'm starting a third.

The first chapter was largely within real estate, real estate development, and investment. As a young twenty something, I rode the good wave of real estate as everything was appreciating in the early 2000s. I thought I was an indestructible force within the business realm. I was building and really enjoying that whole industry.

But once 2008 rolled around, that was a sobering wake up call for me.

I went from feeling like I was at the top of the hill to almost sucking gravel, what felt like overnight.

I had to figure out what I wanted to do with my life because, in real estate, I had done a lot of cool things. It was a rush and enjoyable at the time, but it also wasn't anything that I was super passionate about at my core.

My dad had been in advertising for decades. He'd won every award in the book, and I knew that I had some creative chops that I'd learned from my dad along the way.

That began my second career in marketing.

I started that career as a VP of Marketing in a job that I should have never, ever walked into, but luckily I did. I learned how to market software and ERP software.

From there, I've gone on to manage a couple of the largest agencies here in the state of Utah and also worked as a marketing consultant and fractional CMO for dozens of different companies.

I've had the pleasure of working with different brands like State Farm, the WNBA, Better Homes & Gardens, and on and on.

But now I'm shifting focus, and I'm excited to talk about Athlete5 and what I've been building, and also the book I've written, which is a little bit of a different approach geared toward athletes who are transitioning out of the game and out of sports.

It's tailored to life after sports for these athletes.

Why Sports Has Been a Lifelong Passion

3:49

Ryan: I love that. We've scraped the surface of your professional career, but why sports? What drew you into that?

Eric: For me personally, I've always been an athlete, and athletics and sports have always been a true passion of mine.

Anybody who knows me knows that I follow sports. Even if my career took a different path, being close to sports has always been something that's been of interest and important to me.

In fact, I even worked for the Utah State Athletic Commission as an inspector at the fights, the MMA fights here in the state, where I would pat down the fighters before they'd enter the ring and make sure they had all their wraps on.

This was more a labor of love than anything else.

Like I say, I'm a sports enthusiast, so that has been near and dear to my heart, in addition to marketing and my other past within real estate.

Ryan: There's this stupid phrase I say on the show all the time, so for everybody who hears it, don't worry about it.

It's this notion that every step you've ever taken leads to where you are today.

For me, I've always used it to stave off regret. I didn't make the wrong decisions. It took all those bad choices, or what I thought were bad choices, to get me to where I am today.

What I love about that notion is this sort of meandering road of life.

It's funny how your experience learning how to manage money and invest through real estate, moving into marketing, learning how to speak the language of marketing and advertising, and helping people grow businesses all eventually lands on sports.

Sports has become more about investing and marketing than ever over the last decade.

Obviously it's always been a big business, but especially with the introduction of NIL and some of these other things over the last five or ten years, sports has taken such a giant pivot.

The group of people you're trying to reach, the athlete who's reached the end of their run and doesn't know what to do with themselves, has always existed. But the options available to athletes who are still in sports versus those exiting the game and moving into whatever the next phase is have changed.

Those people may need more help than ever.

It's funny, or maybe ironic, how this trajectory you've got here might feel kind of disparate, but it actually ends up coming together in the end.

The Shift in Sports and Athlete Opportunities

6:50

Eric: Great insight.

You talk about how sports has changed just within the last five years. If we were having this conversation 20 years ago and talking about athletes being paid in college, it would have been like, "Oh my gosh, this can't be. This is offensive. This isn't right."

But in 2026, here we are.

For me personally, I think there's such an opportunity, and there's so much focus on these athletes during sports and how to, I don't want to say take advantage of, but how to work with them and utilize them while they have all this income coming in.

I've been looking at things from a different perspective.

It feels as though after sports ends, for a lot of these athletes, and I've spoken with countless professional athletes, collegiate athletes, even Olympians, it really is a shake to the core where they have to go back and reassess their identity.

These are immensely talented individuals.

They have all the talent in the world, but it's like, "Okay, how do we pivot and go from where we've been successful within sports into life after sports?"

That's where I feel like I can provide some insight.

Part of that comes from my own experience, coming into the business world early and bypassing some of the sports chapters that I could have experienced.

But it's also about giving athletes an understanding of how talented they are, helping them understand their unique talents, and showing them where they can apply those talents into what's next.

If I can help these athletes who are transitioning understand what they're interested in, where they can provide value, and how they can make money coming out of their sports career, then I've done my job.

That's really where I find value: helping others understand their strengths and helping them springboard into what's possible.

The Importance of Identity for Athletes After Sports

9:45

Ryan: I think you hit on the key phrase that carries this whole thing, and that's the word "identity."

There's so much about the way we see ourselves in the world.

Social media influences things one way. The way we're raised, the work we do, and the people we surround ourselves with all influence our identity.

When you're on a team and surrounded by people working toward a mutual cause, whether that's in business or on a sports team, you're unified around that.

There's a brotherhood or familial quality to it.

We're all working toward the same common goal, so our identity gets tied up in being a piece of that machine.

For athletes, student athletes and professional athletes alike, at some point they're going to get cut or the game is going to end.

What will their role be in the future with that organization or those people?

It may be nothing.

Some guys go on to become announcers, but there are only so many seats.

For people whose identity is tied up in what they do rather than who they are, it's easy to basically fall off a cliff once they step out of this.

There's no shortage of these stories.

These are high performers. These are talented people. These are people who have gone a long way doing something really hard.

For them to then fall off and go flat makes it abundantly clear that it isn't necessarily an effort problem or a "who they are" problem.

It's more about how they see themselves.

Why do we tie so much of our self worth to what we do instead of who we are?

Eric: I think there's that core understanding of who we are, but at the same time, we all know that life changes and we're going to go through multiple chapters in our lives.

This sounds morbid, but as I've talked to professional athletes who are transitioning or collegiate athletes who are transitioning after the game has closed for them, it can feel like a first death.

They understand that things are changing, but it's so heavy to process because their identity is now completely in question.

They don't know who they are beyond the playing field.

One of the big components is enabling them to connect with individuals who can help them put their best foot forward and continue with their success.

I was speaking with a friend of mine who played in the NHL as a professional hockey player.

He said, "I wouldn't be where I'm at now had I not had the social circle that I did."

There was one individual he knew who took a chance on him in a professional setting.

Because that gentleman took a chance on him, he's been able to springboard into other opportunities. Now this friend of mine is incredibly successful in the business world.

He's been immensely talented his whole life, but because of that one relationship, he was able to understand and embrace his capacity after hockey was over for him.

Translating Athletic Traits Into the Next Chapter

14:34

Ryan: Let's talk about translating discipline, mindset, competitive drive, and all these things developed as an athlete into opportunities.

How do we turn those things into opportunities?

Eric: I think that's the first domino: understanding that this can translate into great success.

These athletes have already had success in their own lives. Now it's just a matter of realizing that these traits they have transfer.

You're going from one game into another, so to speak.

It's like, "Okay, how do I connect the dots and make this work?"

Ultimately, you have to believe, number one, that the traits and unique characteristics that made you successful on the playing field are going to transfer nicely if you allow them to.

The discipline is still there.

The mindset is still there.

All of these positive elements can give the athlete an opportunity to experience some of the best chapters of their life after the game is over.

But it's tied to identity.

There has to be that shift where it's like, "Okay, the game was wonderful, but I'm still important outside of my jersey."

The traits that I've built over the years are going to transfer if I allow them to, once I understand where my unique opportunities and characteristics can benefit the world and provide value.

Building a Support Network and Meaningful Relationships

17:47

Ryan: How do people identify opportunities that are actually going to suit athletes when they're trying to move out of sports?

Eric: I think what that really boils down to is: Who are you surrounding yourself with?

Some athletes are too trusting.

Some athletes don't want to engage and look for opportunities to socialize outside of sports because they're leery of the types of characters they could run into.

That's where I'm trying to provide value.

I may not be a doctor. I may not be a financial planner. I may not be an attorney.

But I have surrounded myself with some really talented individuals in each one of these areas, and I'm hopeful I can make introductions that are meaningful for these former athletes.

That's whether they've been immensely successful financially throughout their careers or not.

It's very different going from an NFL football player or NBA basketball player to a college athlete playing in the NAIA, which is a very small division of collegiate athletics.

But making those connections is imperative for success.

You've got to surround yourself with good people who aren't just trying to take advantage of you, but who can genuinely be helpful.

More importantly, athletes need to understand how to identify who will be a positive influence in their lives.

There's a learning phase all of us go through.

We're not spring chickens anymore, but we're also not too old to help those who are younger than us understand how they can connect and develop good relationships that will open doors of opportunity.

I think even the smallest doors sometimes open into large rooms.

That's something you have to keep in mind.

Why Networking Matters

25:30

Eric: One of the things I tell people a lot of times, and maybe they don't believe me, is that I'm an introvert.

I'm introverted at my core.

I can be very social. I've been a keynote speaker. I get out, shake hands, and meet people.

But I'm content being on my own much of the time.

However, if I could go back and do it all over again and put my arm around my 20 year old self, I would say, "Make sure you're networking. Look for opportunities to connect meaningfully with people."

There came a point in my career where I started attending networking opportunities at least once a week.

That was a huge commitment for me because that's not where I was comfortable.

But I learned that if I went in with the mentality that I was there to provide value to others and not to make it about me, that's where things really took flight.

I was able to meet people and connect with people in meaningful ways.

These relationships have paid dividends in my life more times than I can count because the mindset was:

I want to be a benefit to them. Not, "What can you do for me?"

That's the key element.

You've got to look for opportunities to engage and connect, but do it with the mindset of, "How can I help you first?"

It's the Golden Rule, and that's never going to fail you.

Ryan: I love that.

Even at the top of this episode, you and I touched on this. We met a couple of times, bumped into each other here or there, and now here we are having this conversation.

Something that wouldn't have been born if it hadn't been for even that brief interaction.

It's funny how you couldn't sit down and anticipate how these things will actually shake out.

It's better to go into it open to receive whatever comes your way.

Maybe the opportunity isn't good. Maybe you run into plenty of bad ones.

But just being open to the notion that it might be a good connection is basically all you need.

Something little can become something big given time.

Eric: That is spot on.

You never know how things are going to play out, but you've got to step up to the plate.

The other thing I would add to the equation is that so often it's like, "I want to be like this person or that person."

No.

Just be yourself.

That's how you're going to make those connections, by genuinely being who you are.

You never know quite what will take place.

I think about some of my closest friends and the first time I met them. It's very different from where we're at today.

There are good people everywhere.

The Athlete5 Blueprint

30:02

Ryan: Let's transition and talk about the Blueprint you've put together at Athlete5 and the structure or way you start to serve these athletes.

What does an engagement start to look like with you in terms of your Blueprint and the different facets of life you help people through?

Eric: What we're trying to provide is clarity.

Going back to what we talked about earlier with identity, how can we squeeze more information out of that identity and understand the characteristics and talents already inside your heart?

How can we apply those and find opportunities unique to you?

We put together what we call the Athlete5 Blueprint.

It's really kind of a Kolbe Index and StrengthsFinder on steroids, where we go through a list of about 90 questions to understand who the individual is, what drives them, what's important in their life, and how we can connect their core identity with their passions.

Then we can utilize these traits and talents they've had within sports and apply them into a new field, while helping coach them along.

The Blueprint is something for a professional athlete or a collegiate athlete coming up on graduation.

I realize it may not be for everyone.

There are many driven athletes who already know where they're going to be after sports is over.

But I've had enough conversations and interactions to know that, more often than not, athletes may have an idea of where they want to be, but they end up somewhere completely different.

It's like:

"I know what I'm good at, but I don't know how that applies to the real world, where I can create value, and where I can be happy in my next chapters."

That's what the Blueprint provides.

The Power of Feeling Understood

32:44

Ryan: What I love about these different assessments is they really start to help people see themselves again.

They start to become introspective.

You have a feel for who you are, but getting this outside view can be powerful.

The goal isn't just to find an athlete another job. By finding their purpose, they can start figuring out where they go from there.

Eric: I'll never forget being at a marketing conference years ago.

A good friend was speaking that day, and he said, "What is the sexiest feeling in the world?"

I thought it was interesting that he framed it as "sexy."

But he said:

"The sexiest feeling in the world is to feel understood."

I feel like with these Blueprints, that's what happens.

It helps the individual feel understood.

They look at it and say, "Oh wow. From what I entered, they have an understanding of who I am at my core."

Then comes the second part, the "then" portion.

If this is who you are, then this is where we can help you. This is where you should probably be focused. This is where we can start making opportunities happen for you.

But it's all from the basis of feeling understood.

It takes all types to make the world go around.

There are so many different opportunities for different walks of life and different athletes.

Maybe they're mechanically inclined. Maybe they're artistic. It doesn't matter what it is.

We're here to understand them and utilize what's already baked within their core to help them figure out where they can be at their best after the game.

Coachability, Ego and the Can Do Attitude

36:04

Ryan: Athletes have obvious things that translate to whatever their next life is: hard work, discipline, being coachable.

Have you come across anything they've learned that actually proves to be a disadvantage later in their careers?

Eric: I think it comes down to mindset.

In business, I've hired probably thousands of individuals throughout my career, whether it was during the real estate days or marketing at the agencies I ran.

The one thing I'm always looking for above everything else is a can do attitude.

For the person who comes in with their own thought process of, "This is how it's going to be. I'm not coachable. I'm the best," and is very closed minded, there aren't going to be a lot of opportunities.

But if somebody comes to the table and says:

"Look, I may not have all the skills or credentials within this industry to succeed, but I'm a fast learner, I'm a hard worker, and I'll do whatever it takes to get this job done."

That person has my ear right out of the gates.

I believe that is more important than 90 percent of the other talents they may have.

These athletes already have immense talents. They're disciplined. They understand teamwork.

I've talked with some athletes where there's still an element of ego involved, and we try to break that down a little bit.

But as long as somebody can say, "I'm going to be a team player. I'm going to learn and grow," and understand that they might go from being the captain of the team to starting somewhere much lower in another environment, that creates fruitful ground for opportunity.

If you can check your ego and come in with a can do attitude, there's tremendous opportunity to rise up and make a difference in your next chapter.

Team Sports, Individual Sports and Connection

38:57

Ryan: Have you noticed any differences between players from team sports like football or hockey versus individual sports like MMA?

Eric: There are differences, but there are also similarities.

If I had to go back and do it all over again in my own athletic career, I played basketball and love basketball, but I'd probably focus on a more solo role.

Maybe I'm a boxer. Maybe I'm a swimmer.

I feel like I'm really good at challenging myself. That probably goes back to the introvert in me.

But I also know individuals where, if they don't have that social connection with others, they flounder.

Even professional fighters still have their trainers, their core group, and people they spar with. They have a core family.

Having those real connections is such a benefit in so many elements of life, including mental health.

Even if these individuals are in solo sports, as long as they understand the benefit of how others can help and contribute to what they were able to become within sports, that sets them up for opportunity in the business world.

Again, it takes all types to make the world go around.

If you have that can do attitude and are willing to learn, that unlocks opportunity.

When an Athletic Career Ends Unexpectedly

40:50

Ryan: Is there a difference between an athlete who chooses to retire or goes out on their own terms versus somebody whose career ends unexpectedly through an injury?

Eric: Yes.

There was actually a study done by a female athlete who found that athletes who can identify that their career is winding down and start making decisions based on where they want to be after sports can springboard much faster into what's next.

That's very different from athletes whose careers end unexpectedly.

I'll even use myself as an example.

I was on a team, and my best friend was an All American. He was recruited by every blue chip college team in the country.

When he graduated, I was being told in high school that the keys were going to be given to me, that I was going to be taking his spot.

Then, unexpectedly, depression and anxiety entered my life, which runs in my family.

Going into my senior year in high school, I'm thinking I'm going to be the guy, the top dog, and have all this opportunity.

Meanwhile, anxiety and depression come in and cripple me.

Not only was I fighting through a confusing time because I didn't understand anxiety and depression, but it also felt like such a blow because my sports career was winding down and had ended before I even knew it was starting to wind down.

It was a rude and sobering awakening.

That's the case for a lot of athletes who have career ending injuries.

It's like:

"I was planning on playing two years, five years more, but now that's not in the cards. What am I going to do with my life?"

That's such a hard thing to manage and grasp.

It's much different for those who can see the end of the tunnel coming versus those who seemingly have it come out of nowhere and knock them off course.

Winning the Postgame

43:39

Ryan: Let's transition into the book.

Winning the Postgame: The Game Ends. You Do Not.

What drew you to put that book together, and how can it augment the work you do at Athlete5 or operate on its own?

Eric: I think at its core it can do both.

It can augment what we're doing with the Blueprint and Elite Advisory, but really it's a standalone product.

I wanted to share some of my learnings about how I've been able to function, some of the things I've kept in mind about how to be at my best, and how to continuously evolve in my own life outside of sports.

Winning the Postgame was written as a deeply humanistic approach to life after sports.

One thing I've written on the back of the book is:

Recalibrate to dominate.

We've talked about these athletes who have been successful to a degree in their sports careers.

How do we utilize what they've established and springboard that into what's next?

Winning the Postgame does that through the lens of day to day life.

How are we able to understand what our goals are and look to get better every day?

It's kind of like Atomic Habits, where if I can be one percent better every day, it compounds.

The book uses a structure that focuses on the five pillars of Athlete5:

Purpose.

Mental health.

Physical health.

Spiritual well being.

Relationships.

The book goes through each of those pillars and more to help empower the reader to understand who they are and how to navigate their lives after sports.

Who Is Winning the Postgame For?

45:41

Ryan: Who is the book most for?

Do you have to be a superstar successful athlete who's exiting the NFL, or is this applicable even to a high school athlete who doesn't go beyond that?

Eric: The book is the one element that's a little more open for really anyone.

As I've been selling this book, I've sold copies to athletes who are younger than high school athletes.

Obviously, the Blueprint is tailored specifically for collegiate athletes, professional athletes, and Olympians.

But the book is a light book. It's less than 100 pages, and it goes through that framework.

That can be applicable whether you're a professional athlete or a has been of Junior Jazz, we'll say.

Ryan: Would Winning the Postgame translate to people who are pivoting in their own careers too?

Eric: Yes, absolutely.

One of the examples in the book focuses on this idea of replacing the scoreboard with a report card.

Coming from a college dropout like myself, using the words "report card" is ironic.

But I go hiking with my girlfriend a lot, and she asks me on these hikes about my report card.

What I do on this report card is go through how I'm doing in my life.

Am I achieving who I am at my core and my purpose?

How is my physical health?

My mental health?

My spiritual well being?

How am I connecting with my family, friends, and professional network?

I give myself a grade in all these different elements.

The book explains this Report Card in greater depth and then gives the reader an opportunity to come to the website and create their own Report Card.

It can be downloaded onto their phone or used as a screensaver, so it's in front of them and they can know if they're living up to their potential and what they believe they should be.

The book has a much broader reach, while the Blueprint is designed specifically for athletes in the professional and college realms.

Accountability Beyond the Scoreboard

48:22

Ryan: That's such a good learning.

It's applicable to sports, but obviously to anybody in any career.

Measuring your goals, not on a scoreboard in this case but through a report card of some type, can be super powerful.

You don't always know what you've done until you've written it down.

If you're not keeping score in some sense, whether that's marking down what you did today or some broader form of reporting, it's important to reinforce the idea of knowing who you are and what you're doing.

This type of reporting does a good job of helping you understand who you've become and what you're working toward.

Eric: Accountability is real.

This is just another element of accountability that helps you ensure you're living up to what you can be.

The Impact of NIL and the Commercialization of Sports

49:19

Ryan: One more thing I wanted to talk about is how sports has changed.

What kind of impact has NIL had on sports more broadly?

It's changed the shape and design of the student athlete. They have more opportunities than they ever did, and certainly there's a lot more money being thrown at them.

How has that changed the student athlete?

Eric: I think it's a lot like the business world as we watch AI take shape and how AI has transformed the business realm.

Money in collegiate sports, particularly for athletes going to universities, is so different.

It's wildly different than it was 10 years ago.

That's hard to believe.

But I also think there are pros and cons, like anything in life.

People will ask, "Is it good or is it bad?"

The short answer is:

It's both.

It has the opportunity to be really good.

It has the opportunity to be bad.

What it's doing is giving these athletes an opportunity to potentially utilize their skill set and talent to receive monetary gain much sooner.

I'm not opposed to that.

But there are often individuals who may not have the athletes' best interests at heart who can come in and have a negative influence in this type of setting.

That's where I look at it and say, "Wow, this is interesting."

It's fun to watch.

It'll be interesting to see how it evolves over the next 10 years.

For now, I'm ever the optimist.

From my perspective, I'm looking at it as a positive.

Time will tell if I'm right or wrong about that.

Closing Thoughts and Connecting With Athlete5

52:05

Ryan: We're starting to get to the end of the hour.

Do you want to take a quick minute and fill people in on anything else they need to know about Athlete5, the book, and where they can reach out to you if they want to connect?

Eric: First of all, Ryan, thanks for having me.

This has been a lot of fun. I've really enjoyed our conversation and reconnecting.

Thank you for the good work you do here on Eggs! The Podcast.

As far as connecting with me, you can find more information on Athlete5 and our social channels.

There on the website, you can learn more about the book. You can learn more about the Blueprint and the Elite Advisory that we also do.

If there are any questions, feel free to contact me directly.

Ryan: Awesome. Thank you so much for that, Eric.

I appreciate you taking the time to do this. It's been a lot of fun to connect, and we'll have to translate this into lunch or something one of these days.

Thank you so much for doing the show. I really appreciate having you here.

Eric: Lunch on me soon. I promise.

Ryan: I love it.

Thanks so much to everybody who tunes into the show this week and every week.

We'll see you guys next time.